I remember this article by the incomparable Mallory Mosner well, Daniel! Thank you much for reprinting it! I didn’t see a crossover between you and Mallory coming but I guess it was only a matter of time given you run in such similar circles. I think this is a great article that makes a very important point: you can’t apply the American understanding of race to the Middle East! People from the Middle East like from the Levant for example, come in all colors and shades. I will admit when I first saw the picture of Mallory in her user profile, I didn’t realize she was an Ashkenazi Jew. I thought at first she was a Mizrahi Jew from an Arab country. But she is not Arab at all. It just goes to show how complex race and ethnicity are and that how someone looks doesn’t necessarily tell you their heritage or ethnic background. To the question of whether Ashkenazi Jews are white or not, Mallory and you are right the answer is most definitely no. It’s important for one to read their history and realize that Jews were never accepted in Europe and never seen as European. It was only in the Post-WWII era they gained full acceptance in Europe and even then much work remains to be done. The English, French, Germans, Italians, Austrians, Poles, Ukrainians, Russians, and many others burned Jews at the stake, did pogroms against them, expelled them from their nations altogether, treated them as outcasts and second-class citizens, made them wear hats and clothing or a yellow star as the Nazis did, so they could be singled out from the rest of the population, and committed genocide against them. Are radical leftists not aware of this? They weren’t for a long time accepted in the U.S. either. Sure, they had religious freedom and educational and economic opportunity and that’s a wonderful thing to be sure. But they were still subject to open discrimination and violence. Mallory astutely mentions the horrific lynching of Leo Frank in Marietta, George in 1915. I would add to that the antisemitism of the second KKK and the German-American Bund, Father Charles Coughlin and his millions of followers during the Great Depression, Auto Magnate Henry Ford and the antisemitic garbage he ran in the Dearborn Independent, the 1924 Immigration Act barring European Jews trying to escape the Shoah from coming to America, quotas by Ivy League universities on Jewish students in the mid-20th Century, or the fact that a good number of hotels in this country banned Jewish guests as late as 1957. One could also mention the fact that for a time Jews were actually considered by racist scientists to be closer to blacks than whites. Furthermore as Mallory notes, light-skinned Ashkenazi Jews may be able to identify as white but dark-skinned Ashkenazi Jews like herself can’t do so. Her experience being bullied as a child by bigoted peers and her and her family being racially profiled numerous times at an airport because they were assumed to be Arab prove this point very clearly. People need to stop putting Jews and the many ethnic groups from the Middle East in boxes and just let them be themselves! What a novel idea! For example, Upper Egyptians are darker skinned than Lower Egyptians. You can see the differences in tones and shades in the skin color of Middle Easterners just by looking at Ancient Egyptian Hieroglyphics. If one didn’t know any better or never had contact with someone from the Middle East, they might confuse say an Upper Egyptian with a Nubian or other Sub-Saharan African or an Ashkenazi Jew, Iranian or Kurd with an Arab. I’ve done it before myself several times. I did also want to say that I do sincerely apologize if what I said earlier about thinking Mallory was Arab at first came off as offensive or insulting at all. I definitely didn’t mean in that way at all. Like Mallory says, there are light skinned Arabs like Bella and Gigi Hadid (who at first I could’ve swore to you were white) and dark-skinned Ashkenazi and Sephardic Jews.
I always love reading your comments, Noah! Absolutely no offense taken. You added some very compelling examples to this discussion that reinforce the thesis.
I had exactly this thought a day or two ago when I watched an interview with a bar owner in Damascus who's as pale as I am. "Would anyone say this guy has no right to be in Syria because of his skin shade?"
George Floyd was not murdered, look look into the police officer perjuring herself 19 times and interference / stand down approaches along with the fentanyl in his system which caused his death
Excellent discussion of a perplexing quandary for the white folks of dubious origins.
Supporters of Trump are concentrating on modifying governmental interpretations of laws enacted during the Civil Rights Movement, with the aim of addressing concerns about what they term “reverse racism” against white Americans. Their efforts target the dismantling of government programs and diversity initiatives viewed as preferential to non-white individuals.
**Stephen Miller's Role:**
Former advisor Stephen Miller, a Jew, has led this initiative through America First Legal, a conservative judicial activist organization. This group has launched legal actions against several corporations—including Nike, Disney, United Airlines, the NFL, and CBS Entertainment—claiming that these entities discriminate against white men.
**Legal Groundwork:**
America First Legal has initiated lawsuits based on the provisions of the 1964 Civil Rights Act, contesting corporate policies and inclusion programs that they assert discriminate against white individuals.
**Heritage Foundation's "Project 2025":**
The Heritage Foundation, a conservative think tank, seeks to abolish what it refers to as “affirmative discrimination” after Trump is sworn in. Their proposal encompasses the reorganization and redirection of the Civil Rights Division of the Department of Justice to facilitate this transition.
There is indeed much racism towards whites. The entire progressive agenda is a crusade to dismantle, denigrate, and abolish traditional America. Typically through affirmative action, mass immigration, and vague, faceless accusations of "white privilege."
I remember this article by the incomparable Mallory Mosner well, Daniel! Thank you much for reprinting it! I didn’t see a crossover between you and Mallory coming but I guess it was only a matter of time given you run in such similar circles. I think this is a great article that makes a very important point: you can’t apply the American understanding of race to the Middle East! People from the Middle East like from the Levant for example, come in all colors and shades. I will admit when I first saw the picture of Mallory in her user profile, I didn’t realize she was an Ashkenazi Jew. I thought at first she was a Mizrahi Jew from an Arab country. But she is not Arab at all. It just goes to show how complex race and ethnicity are and that how someone looks doesn’t necessarily tell you their heritage or ethnic background. To the question of whether Ashkenazi Jews are white or not, Mallory and you are right the answer is most definitely no. It’s important for one to read their history and realize that Jews were never accepted in Europe and never seen as European. It was only in the Post-WWII era they gained full acceptance in Europe and even then much work remains to be done. The English, French, Germans, Italians, Austrians, Poles, Ukrainians, Russians, and many others burned Jews at the stake, did pogroms against them, expelled them from their nations altogether, treated them as outcasts and second-class citizens, made them wear hats and clothing or a yellow star as the Nazis did, so they could be singled out from the rest of the population, and committed genocide against them. Are radical leftists not aware of this? They weren’t for a long time accepted in the U.S. either. Sure, they had religious freedom and educational and economic opportunity and that’s a wonderful thing to be sure. But they were still subject to open discrimination and violence. Mallory astutely mentions the horrific lynching of Leo Frank in Marietta, George in 1915. I would add to that the antisemitism of the second KKK and the German-American Bund, Father Charles Coughlin and his millions of followers during the Great Depression, Auto Magnate Henry Ford and the antisemitic garbage he ran in the Dearborn Independent, the 1924 Immigration Act barring European Jews trying to escape the Shoah from coming to America, quotas by Ivy League universities on Jewish students in the mid-20th Century, or the fact that a good number of hotels in this country banned Jewish guests as late as 1957. One could also mention the fact that for a time Jews were actually considered by racist scientists to be closer to blacks than whites. Furthermore as Mallory notes, light-skinned Ashkenazi Jews may be able to identify as white but dark-skinned Ashkenazi Jews like herself can’t do so. Her experience being bullied as a child by bigoted peers and her and her family being racially profiled numerous times at an airport because they were assumed to be Arab prove this point very clearly. People need to stop putting Jews and the many ethnic groups from the Middle East in boxes and just let them be themselves! What a novel idea! For example, Upper Egyptians are darker skinned than Lower Egyptians. You can see the differences in tones and shades in the skin color of Middle Easterners just by looking at Ancient Egyptian Hieroglyphics. If one didn’t know any better or never had contact with someone from the Middle East, they might confuse say an Upper Egyptian with a Nubian or other Sub-Saharan African or an Ashkenazi Jew, Iranian or Kurd with an Arab. I’ve done it before myself several times. I did also want to say that I do sincerely apologize if what I said earlier about thinking Mallory was Arab at first came off as offensive or insulting at all. I definitely didn’t mean in that way at all. Like Mallory says, there are light skinned Arabs like Bella and Gigi Hadid (who at first I could’ve swore to you were white) and dark-skinned Ashkenazi and Sephardic Jews.
I always love reading your comments, Noah! Absolutely no offense taken. You added some very compelling examples to this discussion that reinforce the thesis.
Wishing you a very happy New Year!
Totally agree. I love Noah's contributions!
I had exactly this thought a day or two ago when I watched an interview with a bar owner in Damascus who's as pale as I am. "Would anyone say this guy has no right to be in Syria because of his skin shade?"
George Floyd was not murdered, look look into the police officer perjuring herself 19 times and interference / stand down approaches along with the fentanyl in his system which caused his death
Excellent discussion of a perplexing quandary for the white folks of dubious origins.
What on Earth are you guys talking about? What does any of this have to do with this article?
You're right Noah. Not a clue what they're debating.
Supporters of Trump are concentrating on modifying governmental interpretations of laws enacted during the Civil Rights Movement, with the aim of addressing concerns about what they term “reverse racism” against white Americans. Their efforts target the dismantling of government programs and diversity initiatives viewed as preferential to non-white individuals.
**Stephen Miller's Role:**
Former advisor Stephen Miller, a Jew, has led this initiative through America First Legal, a conservative judicial activist organization. This group has launched legal actions against several corporations—including Nike, Disney, United Airlines, the NFL, and CBS Entertainment—claiming that these entities discriminate against white men.
**Legal Groundwork:**
America First Legal has initiated lawsuits based on the provisions of the 1964 Civil Rights Act, contesting corporate policies and inclusion programs that they assert discriminate against white individuals.
**Heritage Foundation's "Project 2025":**
The Heritage Foundation, a conservative think tank, seeks to abolish what it refers to as “affirmative discrimination” after Trump is sworn in. Their proposal encompasses the reorganization and redirection of the Civil Rights Division of the Department of Justice to facilitate this transition.
There is indeed much racism towards whites. The entire progressive agenda is a crusade to dismantle, denigrate, and abolish traditional America. Typically through affirmative action, mass immigration, and vague, faceless accusations of "white privilege."
I feel like liberal Jews crave above all to be black lesbians.
Passive-aggressive behavior is cowardice (e.g., hiding under your mama's dress/skirt and lashing out).